Good discussion GS! I’m glad to chop it up with you and give you a hard time.

Still think Corey was cool to have on and Id listen to him again. Sure I’d be down to get on a show to wax poetic on games.

“How does your response make any sense? Reading is fundamental. I said
PSNOW old titles NEXT gen (not this generation) could be PS4 games. What
time machine are you using to see what’s on PSNow NEXT generation?”

If that’s what you were saying then we basically agree, so why even bring it up in the first place? On the show my point was that Sony needs to plan for the future to compete with what MS has planned. Planning for the future would definitely involve adding brand new games to PSNow. So there was no reason to even bring this point up in the first place, because we basically agree with each other.

“As far as SF5 YOU are confusing cross platform and cross buy.”

I’m not, I clearly understand that you can play online with PS4 gamers from PC, but you can’t own both versions by buying once. But again, You’re the one that brought it up. SF5 was never part of my statement on the show.

“What is MS doing that the 2nd place hasn’t already done in the past? Hololens? Live Cross Buy? What is Sony doing? VR? Games in development hell? (Last Gaurdian) I don’t see this building towards the future from MS but I do see a company trying to hold onto market share.”

They’re future proofing their service so that the hardware race wont matter as much.

“MS decision about QB and it’s Cross Buy is amazing but I don’t expect any non MS exclusives to follow suit.”

By non MS exclusives do you mean third-party? Because third-party studios are already creating their own services and I wouldn’t be surprised if they offer cross-buy within their own eco-systems.

“AND it’s still 30/70 that Sony messes up the VR release this fall
because they suck when it comes to new hardware/makerting that hardware
70% of the time. However they don’t necessarily need it to “win” the
fall if by your presumption Sony already thinks they won and have given
up trying.”

Again, I agree with you.

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Would you like to be on the podcast sometime?

I don’t believe I’ve accused you of saying anything negative about Sony. However if your going to compare services on this generations consoles you only have PSN and Live to compare. If I talked about handheld consoles and said 3DS is the best, a reasonable person would ask in comparison to what? I asked what makes Live a more robust service for the NEXT generation system? You respond by saying Im accusing you of being negative on Sony. I’m more negative than you are so cut the shit.

To respond to your comments…

Now, as for your comments…

“PSNow old titles next gen could be PS4 games.”

They could be, but they’re not.

How does your response make any sense? Reading is fundamental. I said PSNOW titles NEXT gen (not this generation) could be PS4 games. What time machine are you using to see what’s on PSNow NEXT generation?

As far as SF5 YOU are confusing cross platform and cross buy. Nothing to argue or even discuss since now I know we aren’t even talking about the same thing. My point is still valid. If MS is smart and want to grown their brand we WILl see more of this for XB1 exclusives. I dont ever expect their to be cross buy on Sony outside their ecosystems and still argue PC is in the MS ecosystem.

MS decision about QB and it’s Cross Buy is amazing but I don’t expect any non MS exclusives to follow suit. I’d buy a XBox 1 copy of QB just for the PC version and day one perk’s if I was interested in the game.

First of all, just wanted to say that I hardly said a negative thing about Sony all episode, and even stated that I thought they’d already won this generation. It seems like people are taking everything positive I said about Microsoft as a negative for Sony, and that’s not the case.

All I said was Sony needs to not be content with winning this generation, and make sure they’re prepared for what comes next, because Microsoft is already building towards the future.

Now, as for your comments…

“PSNow old titles next gen could be PS4 games.”

They could be, but they’re not.

“Now or later. I couldn’t imagine Live or PSN getting worse next gen so
what specifically makes Live more robust a service for the next
generation systems? I’ll answer, nothing.”

The fact that you can buy one BRAND NEW GAME and play it across two completely different platforms. PSnow is OLD GAMES, but with Quantum Break Microsoft are giving you a BRAND NEW game for two currently relevant platforms. So my point is that Sony will have to figure out a way to offer the same deal if they want to compete with that.

“Street Fighter 5 is a NEW game”

So if I buy SFV on PC can I also own the PS4 version? Nope.

“This isn’t new and I remember playing Master System games on Genesis ”

Yes, but the discussion isn’t about backwards compatibility, it’s about buying a brand new title that can be played across two completely different platforms.

“our enthusiasm for Valve is no different than someone else’s enthusiasm for Kojima.”

The difference is that I’m not choosing to buy EVERY single game released on the Steam platform just because I love Steam. I still pick and choose which games to buy on their platform, you know why? Because I do my research and find out whether it’s actually a good idea to buy a game on Steam. So all I’m saying is that people shouldn’t assume Kojima’s game will be an instant classic just because it’s Kojima. Please set themselves up for failure that way. Buy the game because it interests you, not because someone you admire made it.

It’s really hard trying to figure out when to jump in, especially with the more heated debates.

Stability of service is relative, my Comcast is down more than my gaming online service. But I’m also not the biggest online gamer so I can only comment on my experience with PSN and Im not as affected as others by outages.

I think we can agree MS has done backwards compatibility better. Sonys response is PSNow. I’d argue will see the same next gen with MS going straight backward compatibility and Sony being a dick. It’s ridiculous to expect anything else.

PSNow old titles next gen could be PS4 games. And this is a service that you can access without a console. Now or later. I couldn’t imagine Live or PSN getting worse next gen so what specifically makes Live more robust a service for the next generation systems? I’ll answer, nothing.

Street Fighter 5 is a NEW game, whether it works or not online is Crapcoms fault but it is cross platform. But there are many PS titles you can play on PS4 PS3 and Vita. This isn’t new and I remember playing Master System games on Genesis so this isn’t new just another feature but you could argue PC is a second MS platform potentially. Never said Vita wasn’t niche but I did anecdotally say Sony fuck ed that up no argument from me.

We are in the minority by being informed consumers. To think otherwise is dumb. Your enthusiasm for Valve is no different than someone else’s enthusiasm for Kojima. If all my expectations and experience’s with Kojimas games have been enjoyable there’s no research to do that trumps my experience. If some has had a crap experience with Valve or Steam they’re experience doesn’t need research to confirm their experience. It is what it is.

Yes Steam is a service to your games.

It’s okay Corey, I still enjoyed the episode myself.

Wassup Himdeel, appreciate the comment, but I have to rebuttle…

“How is XBox Live a service but PSN isnt”

I never said PSN isn’t a service. But looking at them both, which is the more stable, and which has the more potential for spreading their software library to more than one platform?

“Likewise, to discuss a next console for either company and to assume
that on either those old games will be accessible on the next system is
ridiculous.”

Why is it ridiculous?

“Also to discuss a service that you can play games on your TV and not
mention the shambles that is PSNow you’re amnesiac. You dont need a
console to access that content.”

While this is true, PSnow is about old titles. What if you could buy brand new games on a service and play them on console, PC or another platform entirely? MS is the closest to that vision because Quantum Break is a BRAND NEW game and if you buy it on one platform you can play it on across two devices……YES, there has been cross-buy Vita games, but where is the Vita now? Does the Vita have a user base as big as the PC? Vita is a closed / niche platform, the PC isnt.

“Then to say don’t buys Kojimas game because he’s Kojima then to say any
decision Valves makes your okay with it is asinine. If you’re giving
your opinion that’s not asinine, maybe…”

I NEVER ever said don’t buy Kojima’s game. I just urged gamers to do their research on the game and not buy it just because Kojima made it, the same goes for anything in life. I’m a huge Apple / iPhone fan, but I’m not going to buy every single piece of hardware they put out without researching it. The comparison to my Valve / Steam comment doesn’t make sense because Steam is a service and I don’t have to buy it, I just buy games on it.

I’m also aware that I tend to ramble on when in front of others.

Also to discuss a service that you can play games on your TV and not mention the shambles that is PSNow you’re amnesiac. You dont need a console to access that content. How is that now going to all of a sudden work on XBox Live the generation after this because XBox has THE service? Internet infrastructure still sucks and you’d still have to pay to access the XBox Live content.

Then to say don’t buys Kojimas game because he’s Kojima then to say any decision Valves makes your okay with it is asinine. If you’re giving your opinion that’s not asinine, maybe…

Sony has the only console VR in the near future but that price can still make or break that add on. I appreciate the Sony stuff they’ve released but they are hit or miss on hardware. They might still fugg it up.

Get your mind right.

Corey was cool, appreciated his contribution to the show.