thats true even yoshida said that only 4/10 sony exlsuives sell.

Closing it before going multi would have made sense for either of them, but that’s not what happened.

VGChartz doesn’t track bundle sales or digital sales. PS4’s Destiny Bundle has sold a ton of Destiny software that isn’t being tracked. You’re being mislead.

Buying Minecraft had more to do with getting it on more Microsoft platforms like Surface, Phones, Windows RT, etc. It has little to do with the console market.

The Xbox division has never made a net profit. It is a net loss. It has never made MS a net profit, ever. Bing, Surface, Zune, and Windows Phones have also done nothing but lose MS money. Almost all of their money comes from Office, Windows, and Server licenses.

PS4 is more powerful and easier to develop for. Over 20 next gen games have been delayed so far, but you single out Driveclub.

Sony is making a profit on PS4 hardware, the gaming division is well funded, profitable and in an overall net profit.

Sony is on its way to recovering from years of losses and recently posted a quarterly profit as almost all of their divisions were profitable. They are not going bankrupt.

If Sony’s mobile division continues to struggle Sony will have to shut it down or sell it off, like they sold off their Vaio PC division. Same with TVs or any other under performing division. That still doesn’t equal bankruptcy.

Sony has total assets worth US$148.9 billion dollars, yearly revenue of $75+ billion, and $27+ billion in total equity. It is still one of the largest corporations on the planet with 150,000+ employees, ranked #233 in The World’s Biggest Public Companies on Forbes, and ranked #94 on the Fortune 500 2013.

One rating agency’s opinion on Sony’s stock means almost nothing. Sony is recovering in finances, it posted a profit last quarter with almost all divisions reporting a profit including the Games division, and its stock price is stable or rising recently.

Sony is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut their losses and start turning a profit. Sony is in for a year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.

The games division is in a net profit, posted a profit last quarter, and is well funded. Sony Computer Entertainment employs over 8,000 people working on Playstation across 50 countries. PSN is vastly improved and Sony is continually investing more into improving it.

Macroaxis probability of bankruptcy declined from 79% to 44% and continues to shrink to this day, indicating a recovery.

A single rating agency downgraded their opinion on Sony debt, it means almost nothing, there are MULTIPLE rating agencies and they all amount to investor’s opinions, not directly relating to Sony’s finances.

As an example, streetinsider currently has 10 investment firms with a BUY rating on Sony stock, 5 hold, and zero sell. That’s likely due to Sony posting an operating profit last quarter, and stocks rising in the last 3 months.

The picture is more complicated (and upward looking) than the link you posted. Sony’s finances have improved since then.

It’s sad PS4 is dominating so badly that ignorant fanboys are left desperately wishing Sony would go bankrupt. Look up Sony on Wikipedia, Forbes, Google, Sony’s quarterly reports, etc. and start reading.

I completely disagree. Minecraft to M$ is obvious to me, M$ should’ve closed that deal before it went multiplat.

@demfax,

PS4 Destiny sales:1,074,010
PS3 Destiny sales: 154,432
Total Sony sales: 1,228,442

XBOX ONE Destiny sales: 846,613
XBOX 360 Destiny sales: 354,620
Total XBOX sales: 1,201,233

Difference: 27,209

Vgchartz week one sales. I don’t like using vgchartz, however, it’s all we have till NPD drops.

Now, you factor in what SONY paid for their only good exclusive (Destiny), vs what M$ paid…you do the math; I’ll side with M$ making more off Sonys wannabe exclusive Destiny.

As far as M$ selling the XBOX Division…Ridiculous. What a LMAO moment! They’ve made more money off XBOX Live & Halo alone to pull SONY out of debt.

Read a Financial report from Moodys and Standard & Poors to see why Sony has been downloaded to “Junk Status”. See, Sony can fake the public, not Wall Street.

As far as Drive Club, I’ll never get off that POS. I remember all that s**t everyone was talking pitting it against Forza Motorsport 5! and how powerful the PS4 is. Well, I’m one that you must show me, and Drive Club has shown nothing with its ONE Feature, 30fps, & DLC Weather!

If the PS4 is sooo powerful & easy to develop for; why was Drive Club delayed a year & still doesn’t have weather effects at launch? Explain that…

The Last of Us Remastered sold a million+ copies worldwide. You are lying.

Driveclub got great impressions at E3 2014, Gamescom 2014, and the recent beta test. It’s like a next-gen PGR with connected social features and club competition.

Many next gen games were delayed not just Driveclub. Only blind fanboys single it out.

Driveclub is channeling Project Gotham Racing, one of Xbox’s most beloved arcade racers. Those games didn’t have any customization beyond paint jobs and you know what? They were still amazing. It’s an arcade racer, different from sim racers, it doesn’t necessarily need fine tuning customizations. Not inherently better or worse.

Driveclub has the technically superior visuals to current Xbox racing games as PS4’s hardware is stronger and developers are able to push it farther. Unbiased, reasonable gamers think Driveclub has the superior looking visuals which makes sense running on more powerful hardware.

Closed and open world racers are different experiences, not inherently better or worse than one another.

Weather is confirmed free in a patch soon after launch. It was demoed in-game to journalists at E3 2014 and demoed at Gamescom 2014, it’s basically finished.

Framerate is confirmed locked at 30 and the game engine updates faster than the framerate for better controller response.

The PS+ Version of Driveclub includes all game modes, the Platinum trophy, online play, 11 tracks, and 10 cars. It’s being offered free to PS+ users at launch. It’s more than “a demo”. Writing on the PlayStation Blog, manager Fred Dutton confirmed “DriveClub will be in addition to your regular PlayStation Plus allocation,” he elaborated in response to a fan.

Driveclub PS+ Edition doesn’t take up a slot on October 2014 PS+ games, you still get two free PS4 games in addition to Driveclub.

The PS+ Version of Driveclub includes all game modes, the Platinum trophy, online play, 11 tracks, and 10 cars. It’s being offered free to PS+ users at launch. It has far more features than a demo.

Nobody is offering full retail AAA games on PS+ at launch. Is anyone else offering anything remotely approaching Driveclub PS+ Edition, basically giving away a good portion of the game? No, it’s unprecedented for an AAA retail game and a good thing.

Driveclub beta tester impressions:

“Gameplay really is fantastic. I’ve played a lot of racing games. From Burnout, PGR, Need For Speed series, Motorstorm, Gran Turismo, Forza (though not the Horizon series) and more. The car handling feels semi realistic, so a mix or realism and PGR style arcade, though I think it leans more towards realism. Plenty of content/events/challenges.

Graphically it is the best racing game I’ve played (haven’t played PC racing games). At first I didn’t think it looked that great, but then you keep racing and it just hits you. It’s stunning, and just feels so rich. The environments just feel like they’ve had so much attention and it really brings the races to life. I haven’t really experienced this before, it’s just very dense. Motion blur is really well implemented, it doesn’t feel distracting at all.”

Forza and Driveclub are both good racing games for different reasons, it’s only fanboys blindly hating one or the other.

Stop spreading fanboy lies, hatred, and FUD, it accomplishes nothing. It’s not healthy to hate pieces of plastic and people who like playing video games on them.

Sony is making a profit on PS4 hardware, the gaming division is well funded, profitable and in an overall net profit. PS4 games have been selling very well and making a profit for Sony.

Destiny DID NOT SELL THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT ON XBOX PLATFORMS. YOU ARE LYING.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. MS shareholders (that don’t exist to please delusional microsoft fanboys) will continue demanding it be sold off or shut down. Xbox has never turned a net profit for MS, the PS games division is in a net profit for Sony. You are completely wrong and delusional.

Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Windows 8 was a sales flop compared to XP or 7. MS’s billions come from Office and Server licenses, their consumer products have been largely failures.

OG Xbox lost billions, 360 made some profit but not nearly enough to cover the OG Xbox loss. Xbox One looks like it might add to those losses, or at least not make enough to bring the Xbox brand into net profit. The entire Xbox division is likely in a net loss right now. Why do you think shareholders keep demanding Xbox be sold off, and execs keep mentioning selling Xbox? It’s a net loss that has lost Microsoft billions of dollars and not likely to turn a net profit anytime soon if ever.

PS4 and Sony’s games division are in a net profit and making a quarterly profit, Xbox is in a net loss and losing money every quarter since Xbox One launched.

PS4/Sony exclusives in 2014: Infamous: 2nd Son and First Light, MLB: The Show 14, TLOU Remastered, Resogun: Heroes, Dead Nation, Entwined, Hohokum, Counterspy, Velocity 2X, Driveclub, LittleBigPlanet 3, Natural Doctrine, Samurai Warriors 4, Guilty Gear Xrd, Akiba’s Trip, Singstar: Ultimate Party, Tiny Troopers: Joint Ops, Jamestown+, Ready to Run, Unmechanical Extended Edition, Super Mega Baseball, Guns Up!, Pillar, #KillAllZombies, N++, Pix the Cat, Helldivers, Super Exploding Zoo

This is “smoke and mirrors”? Many of these games are 80+ on Metacritic.

Stop spreading fanboy lies, hatred, and FUD, it accomplishes nothing. It’s not healthy to hate pieces of plastic and people who like playing video games on them.

You are a sick, lying, and malicious fanboy shill.

Sony is making a profit on PS4 hardware, the gaming division is well funded, profitable and in an overall net profit.

PS4 is selling on price/performance, better PR and global appeal, long term 1st party support, large number of 1st party studios, more total games and dev support including Japanese and indie devs, wider variety of games, improved PSN since the PS3 days, and PS+ value. It’s seen as the best console for multiplatform games.

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PS4 has many great games that gamers love. That’s why it’s 10+ million in sales and growing. Sony’s large number of well funded 1st parties will ensure PS4 has a ton of great AAA exclusives, as many or more than PS3.

All 3 consoles have good exclusive games, and pros and cons, it’s only fanboys blindly hating one or the other.

PS4 has many features including media with more on the way in firmware 2.0. PS4 has plenty of support from Sony and developers.

As expected by anyone knowledgeable and sane, tier 2 launches are doing almost nothing for Xbox sales. Including the rest of the tier 2 launches on Sept 23. PS4 will still be outselling Xbox 2:1 by the end of 2014.

PS4 will easily outsell Xbox globally in Sept 2014, and every month in 2014. Xbox might take a few NPDs in the USA but globally no chance.

2014 YTD sales:
Wii U: 1.8m
Xbox: 2.3m
PS4: 6.4m

Xbox is struggling to stay ahead of the Wii U this year, PS4 is miles ahead of both.

PS4 will outsell Xbox in China and the Asian region like every other country on the planet.

XB1 will sell less than 360 long term. Shrinking console market + PS4 eating up Xbox marketshare = less sales. Simple and obvious to anyone paying attention. 360 is on track to outsell XB1 time adjusted sometime in 2015.

Why are TLOU Remastered and other PS3 exclusive remakes being made?

1. Financing for next gen projects.
2. Experience on next gen hardware to better create next gen projects.
3. At least half of PS4 owners (5 out of 10 million) didn’t own a PS3 which is a huge brand new audience.
4. Many PS3 exclusive games were critically acclaimed and sold well.
5. There are already plenty of new IPs being created.
6. Assets made for late PS3 games are often higher quality than what goes into the actual PS3 version.
7. Large studios have multiple teams and can afford to put smaller teams on remakes while working on larger projects.

TLOU is one of the most critically acclaimed video games ever and sold 6+ million copies on PS3, it’s coming with full DLC and multiplayer, 1080p 60 fps with better textures and visual effects, and releasing at a discount price. Keep blindly hating, everyone else will be ignoring you and buying and enjoying the PS3 exclusive remakes.

Driveclub got great impressions at E3 2014, Gamescom 2014, and the recent beta test. It’s like a next-gen PGR with connected social features and club competition.

Many next gen games were delayed not just Driveclub. Only blind fanboys single it out.

Driveclub is channeling Project Gotham Racing, one of Xbox’s most beloved arcade racers. Those games didn’t have any customization beyond paint jobs and you know what? They were still amazing. It’s an arcade racer, different from sim racers, it doesn’t necessarily need fine tuning customizations. Not inherently better or worse.

Driveclub has the technically superior visuals to current Xbox racing games as PS4’s hardware is stronger and developers are able to push it farther. Unbiased, reasonable gamers think Driveclub has the superior looking visuals which makes sense running on more powerful hardware.

Closed and open world racers are different experiences, not inherently better or worse than one another.

Weather is confirmed free in a patch soon after launch. It was demoed in-game to journalists at E3 2014 and demoed at Gamescom 2014, it’s basically finished.

Framerate is confirmed locked at 30 and the game engine updates faster than the framerate for better controller response.

The PS+ Version of Driveclub includes all game modes, the Platinum trophy, online play, 11 tracks, and 10 cars. It’s being offered free to PS+ users at launch. It’s more than “a demo”. Writing on the PlayStation Blog, manager Fred Dutton confirmed “DriveClub will be in addition to your regular PlayStation Plus allocation,” he elaborated in response to a fan.

Driveclub PS+ Edition doesn’t take up a slot on October 2014 PS+ games, you still get two free PS4 games in addition to Driveclub.

The PS+ Version of Driveclub includes all game modes, the Platinum trophy, online play, 11 tracks, and 10 cars. It’s being offered free to PS+ users at launch. It has far more features than a demo.

Nobody is offering full retail AAA games on PS+ at launch. Is anyone else offering anything remotely approaching Driveclub PS+ Edition, basically giving away a good portion of the game? No, it’s unprecedented for an AAA retail game and a good thing.

Driveclub beta tester impressions:

“Gameplay really is fantastic. I’ve played a lot of racing games. From Burnout, PGR, Need For Speed series, Motorstorm, Gran Turismo, Forza (though not the Horizon series) and more. The car handling feels semi realistic, so a mix or realism and PGR style arcade, though I think it leans more towards realism. Plenty of content/events/challenges.

Graphically it is the best racing game I’ve played (haven’t played PC racing games). At first I didn’t think it looked that great, but then you keep racing and it just hits you. It’s stunning, and just feels so rich. The environments just feel like they’ve had so much attention and it really brings the races to life. I haven’t really experienced this before, it’s just very dense. Motion blur is really well implemented, it doesn’t feel distracting at all.”

Forza and Driveclub are both good racing games for different reasons, it’s only fanboys blindly hating one or the other.

Every track racer has invisible walls. Take your deranged, blind fanboy hatred elsewhere.

Pretty sure the fact that Minecraft makes money outside of the title was mentioned. The point of the conversation was discerning if the money could have been well spent elsewhere. And Sony was investing in Indys at the same time Microsoft got the Minecraft title, that statement was unnecessary and took away from your mostly sound argument.

Also, TLOU Remaster and Master Chief Collection comparison is a reach like no other. You know my feelings toward remasters anyway, so they can keep them all for the most part.

“M$ ended up more profitable with the only PS4 Exclusive worth anything”

Comical. And btw we said Minecraft to Sony made more sense than Microsoft. Not that they should actually do it.

Fair enough.

Thanks for the comment and suggestions OOMagnum.These are good points you brought up, but I never actually said I doubt they won’t make their money back. Microsoft has proven time and time again that they can turn acquisitions like these into bigger profits. I’ll admit just as I have on the show that I personally am not a Minecraft player but I do wish them well in this venture.

The main gripe I have with Microsoft now is I’d like to see them talk more about these newer studios and games that they are currently working on. Even though they technically have more first party studios than Sony, they def aren’t making it seem that way to the public. Mostly everyone only knows about Halo, Forza, and Gears of War. They need to change that by bringing more new projects to the forefront. Spellbound and Phantom Dust are a good start but I def want to see more as this generation goes on.

The only company to actually grow their own is Nintendo. Sony did the exact same thing when they came up. Btw it might feel like Sony has more first party studios but factually speaking they dont MS has about 20, Sony about 18 so stop perpetuating lies. They also announced 5 new studios a couple of months ago so i dont understand your gripes. Also Microsoft will 100% make their money back on Minecraft alone, if you guys cant see that than you really need to educate yourselves on how much money Minecraft as a whole brings in. Thats without the guaranteed success of Minecraft 2. Microsoft expects to make their money back next year (thats what they say, dont believe that though). Fuck opinions when they are facts out there

Thanks for the comment otherzinc. You made alot of great points and I’ll say that as far exclusives go this fall, both Microsoft and Nintendo will def have more to offer than the PS4. I’m playing Forza Horizon 2 now and i’m absolutely impressed by how awesome it is. Also looking forward to both Sunset Overdrive and the Halo Collection. I still do want to see them invest in making more studios and games though moving forward and not try to buy everything they know is already a proven seller.

Thanks for the comments man. I agree that Sony exclusives have been smoke and mirrors this year. But It looks like that’s going to change quickly in 2015. It’s also good to see MS making more of an effort.

But the moral of the story is…. PC gaming >>>

Thanks

SONY can’t afford to buy a single sheet of paper! Let alone 2.5 Billion for Minecraft.

Don’t associate the illusion of profitability with SONY having a short term lead in this console race.

SONY has zero games making money for them. You make your money off software, not hardware.

SONYS exclusive “Destiny” (that they paid sooo much money for) almost sold the exact same amount on XBOX Platforms. Now that was money wasted! Now, M$ ended up more profitable with the only PS4 Exclusive worth anything, than SONY; as M$ didn’t have the massive overhead cost of exclusive advertising & DLC.

The business of Minecraft alone, is worth more than 2.5 Billion. M$ will make more than 2.5B next year or over the holidays off sales of multiple devices, consoles, & pc’s alone. Also, Minecraft started on XBOX when SONY thought Indies were sh**. Now, SONY ‘s reaching for that next Minecraft & falling on their faces promoting all those crap games.

And Rich,

M$ has invested in new IP’s, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, TitanFall, & Project Spark to name a few. What’s SONY doing?

SONY’s re – shine of TLOU offers nothing! M$, offering of a “true” remaster: Halo Master Chief Collection; offers new story elements, Halo Nightfall, Horizontal Splitscreen co-op in Halo 2, 1080p 60fps locked – unlike TLOU re – shine 11 month old game.

Also, if M$ wasn’t more profitable than the overrated PS4, there’s no way they invest money in Minecraft, The Gears Franchise, 343 Industries, XBOX Live, & more.

Rich, what’s SONY investing in?
What’s that K – Mart PS4 Camera doing.
Is LBP3 & Drive Club strong enough for the holiday season?
Where’s the Drive Club demo?

SONY is living off E3 hype, terrible Indie Games, Power Hype.
Other than graphics & the ONE Feature “Clubs”, that Forza Horizon 2 does better, what’s Drive Club to show the “Power” of the PS4 with those “invisible” wall surrounding the lifeless Drive Club Locations?

I’ll continue listening…

Destiny:
Is being graded too harshly. However, I am disappointed Destiny is online only & doesn’t have Campaign Co-op via Splitscreen. I’ve beaten every Bungie & 343 Halo game with my son & daughter via Splitscreen; except Halo 2, as it had that terrible vertical splitscreen function. Halo Master Chief Collection will fix that with the traditional horizontal splitscreen co-op.

Destinys, sales numbers were also very impressive, unlike those weak TLOU Shoeshine Edition sale that have yet to break the 50 sales mark in the US. Halo Master Chief Collection will show everyone how it’s done.

Hope you guys discuss the Featureless Drive Club during this podcast.

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